well, and i hate to introduce this idea...but i'm a geocacher as
well. I really appreciate the effort that goes into each cache's
page. i really wish letterboxing had something similar. Each time
someone finds a cache, they log their visit onto the web page
dedicated to that cache. that way, someone can look at the history of
the cache (like, who visited the cache, when was the cache last
visited, what is the terrain, is the cache still there?)it really is
a form of communication from the cacher to the placer regarding the
cache.

now, i realize that this would add to the complexity of the existing
letterbox web site...and i like the web site! but i really miss
being able to research the box a little more prior to going on my
adventures.

just an idea....don't know how to do this. :-)

crappiefisher F6P0

I don't think it is a good idea to have a page to list missing boxes. There
are times when people just don't find the box whether it is the landmarks
look different due to season or if one person just interprets the clues
different than another person.
r instance there is a box in Coventry, CT that I know more than one person
has felt is missing but just this weekend while boxing with my sister we
found it. It took a while but we did find it. Another example is one in
Mansfield, CT, I have tried to fi
3 times and still have come up empty but others have found since my
attempts. I know if I see someone say a box is missing I tend not to go for
that box. Why waste time when you can go for boxes that are definitely
there. If you feel a box is missing m
e every effort to contact the hider on or off list and when you go out
boxing list your travels to the list telling both successes as well as
problems. Hiders LOVE to hear how there "treasures" are doing.

----- Original Message -----
From: "sileagle1"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:52 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Missing Letterboxes - Solution?


> Even more frustrating than bad clues is going out of your way to a
> place that is not that interesting, going right to where the box
> should be and not finding it. Missing boxes were far more prevalent
> on our recent trip than misunderstood clues, and caused us endless
> hours of wasted searching. The problem is that not everyone updates
> their clues to let you know that their box is missing, either because
> they are not sure it really is missing or they no longer participate
> in letterboxing. What we need is a way for letterboxers to let
> everyone know that a box was not found (possibly missing but not
> necessarily) so others can be warned. This talklist is too big for
> that so I suggest we create another group called lbox-missing that
> people can use to post possible missing boxes. You would put the box
> name and location in the Subject Line so others could quickly look
> for boxes in the area they will be visiting to know which ones are
> suspect. What do you think?
>
> Silver Eagle
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

That was odd my last message went haywire! It should have read....

> I don't think it is a good idea to have a page to list missing boxes.
There
> are times when people just don't find the box whether it is the landmarks
> look different due to season or if one person just interprets the clues
> different than another person.
>For instance there is a box in Coventry, CT that I know more than one
person
> has felt is missing but just this weekend while boxing with my sister we
> found it. It took a while but we did find it. Another example is one in
> Mansfield, CT, I have tried to find
> 3 times and still have come up empty but others have found since my
> attempts. I know if I see someone say a box is missing I tend not to go
for
> that box. Why waste time when you can go for boxes that are definitely
> there. If you feel a box is missing make every effort to contact the hider
on or off list and when you go out
> boxing list your travels to the list telling both successes as well as
> problems. Hiders LOVE to hear how there "treasures" are doing.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sileagle1"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:52 AM
> Subject: [LbNA] Missing Letterboxes - Solution?
>
>
> > Even more frustrating than bad clues is going out of your way to a
> > place that is not that interesting, going right to where the box
> > should be and not finding it. Missing boxes were far more prevalent
> > on our recent trip than misunderstood clues, and caused us endless
> > hours of wasted searching. The problem is that not everyone updates
> > their clues to let you know that their box is missing, either because
> > they are not sure it really is missing or they no longer participate
> > in letterboxing. What we need is a way for letterboxers to let
> > everyone know that a box was not found (possibly missing but not
> > necessarily) so others can be warned. This talklist is too big for
> > that so I suggest we create another group called lbox-missing that
> > people can use to post possible missing boxes. You would put the box
> > name and location in the Subject Line so others could quickly look
> > for boxes in the area they will be visiting to know which ones are
> > suspect. What do you think?
> >
> > Silver Eagle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

The one thing we really appreciate is when people post with SitRep's
(situation reports)...just saying which boxes they have found or not found...or other
situational info (eg it's really muddy or there's loads of poison ivy or the
park gate doesn't open until noon etc).

CSCM always researches all posts regarding a particular box before we go out.
So if he runs a search of the LBNA talk list archive on "Crocker Mystery,
Massachusetts" for instance, he can scan by date when and whether it was last
found. (Of course once we get to the box we might find it's been found by many
more people who never posted to the list to say they found it).

We might still risk a trip if the last post says they didn't find it, but
that there was lots of snow on the ground, but if someone posts that the box was
strewn about and the stamp gone, we'd know not to bother.

So we like to see folks post about their outings. Here in New England, folks
are great about SitReps, but if I was going to travel, I would sure find it
helpful to have a bunch of 'matches' come up when searching the archive for a
particular box or series.

I think it's fine for an owner to list a box as MIA or Out of Commision or
Retired or such, but there have been lots of boxes posted as MIA by searchers
that were really just overlooked, or that folks were looking in the wrong place
(e.g. the Hancock Hill box in MA). We were excited to learn that it really
wasn't lost but instead never really found. It was the Sit Rep posts that kept us
from bothering...until Team Green Dragon went boldly to find it and DID find
it. Yay!

I don't really consider a box MIA unless it is confirmed by the owner of the
box, and I don't really think we need an official MIA list...just consistent
posts to the list by searchers and owners :-)

Just my 2 cents :-)
-Kim (Rustypuff)


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i wonder, just wonder, if an additional message board could be added
to the Yahoo site? For example, one could post that they placed a
box, being specific with the subject heading - i.e., the name of the
box and state. then once someone finds it or not finds it, they could
report it on that message board.

of course, if this were to occur, many, many boxes would have to be
grandfathered in...but so many boxes are being placed now and maybe,
just maybe some of us could help to log in the existing boxes.

just another suggestion..i know that keeping a web page and such is a
lot of work and i'm not asking anyone to go beyond what they are
capable of doing.

Perhaps the owners of the boxes can update the clues every once in a while to
state that a box has been found by "this letterboxer on such and such date."
I personally enjoy people sitrep-ing boxes on the list. Sometimes I get
posts directly concerning my boxes. That way, I know they're there, and perhaps
we should all update the clues every once in a while to say who's found it
recently.

Just a thought....

Music Woman


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I think this may be the best short term solution. I personally
began doing this a few weeks ago. Since we can now edit our clues
any time, I now edit my box (example: "Alive and well on 7/7/03")
each time I get a message from a person who found it and emailed me
a status (I also include my email address on clues page).

Electronic log would be ideal, but image this would require a ton of
work. I think this may be a good field to add to all boxes, since
if you can see someone found it on x date, then box should be there.

Issue still comes in with boxes that are not assigned. I would have
no problem handling email updates for all Texas orphan boxes, and
I'm sure others would volunteer in other states.



--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, mindizney@a... wrote:
> Perhaps the owners of the boxes can update the clues every once in
a while to
> state that a box has been found by "this letterboxer on such and
such date."
> I personally enjoy people sitrep-ing boxes on the list. Sometimes
I get
> posts directly concerning my boxes. That way, I know they're
there, and perhaps
> we should all update the clues every once in a while to say who's
found it
> recently.
>
> Just a thought....
>
> Music Woman
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have been planning to do something similar next time I update my
webpage of clues.
Not an original idea of mine - I saw on someone's clue page a link to
click to report finds along with the date of the last on
Unfortunately, I can't remember whose page that was -- if this clicks
with anyone reading this, please let me know. I'd like to show the
example to my husband (who patiently tries to assist me in my
beginner web page efforts)
Cavy Lovers

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "babybearlb2002"
wrote:
> I think this may be the best short term solution. I personally
> began doing this a few weeks ago. Since we can now edit our clues
> any time, I now edit my box (example: "Alive and well on 7/7/03")
> each time I get a message from a person who found it and emailed me
> a status (I also include my email address on clues page).
>
> Electronic log would be ideal, but image this would require a ton
of
> work. I think this may be a good field to add to all boxes, since
> if you can see someone found it on x date, then box should be there.
>
> Issue still comes in with boxes that are not assigned. I would
have
> no problem handling email updates for all Texas orphan boxes, and
> I'm sure others would volunteer in other states.
>
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, mindizney@a... wrote:
> > Perhaps the owners of the boxes can update the clues every once
in
> a while to
> > state that a box has been found by "this letterboxer on such and
> such date."
> > I personally enjoy people sitrep-ing boxes on the list.
Sometimes
> I get
> > posts directly concerning my boxes. That way, I know they're
> there, and perhaps
> > we should all update the clues every once in a while to say who's
> found it
> > recently.
> >
> > Just a thought....
> >
> > Music Woman
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I like the solution of each planter updating there clues as to the last visit everything was okay. It is simple and won't cause any one individual more work.

babybearlb2002 wrote:I think this may be the best short term solution. I personally
began doing this a few weeks ago. Since we can now edit our clues
any time, I now edit my box (example: "Alive and well on 7/7/03")
each time I get a message from a person who found it and emailed me
a status (I also include my email address on clues page).

Electronic log would be ideal, but image this would require a ton of
work. I think this may be a good field to add to all boxes, since
if you can see someone found it on x date, then box should be there.

Issue still comes in with boxes that are not assigned. I would have
no problem handling email updates for all Texas orphan boxes, and
I'm sure others would volunteer in other states.



--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, mindizney@a... wrote:
> Perhaps the owners of the boxes can update the clues every once in
a while to
> state that a box has been found by "this letterboxer on such and
such date."
> I personally enjoy people sitrep-ing boxes on the list. Sometimes
I get
> posts directly concerning my boxes. That way, I know they're
there, and perhaps
> we should all update the clues every once in a while to say who's
found it
> recently.
>
> Just a thought....
>
> Music Woman
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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I already do this and I also think it is a great solution if
everyone did it, too. The problem with unassigned boxes is
that the webmasters would have to give access to them for
a "volunteer" to be able to make changes, and I'm not sure
if they would want to do that. Would be a good solution, though.

Silver Eagle

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "babybearlb2002"
wrote:
> I think this may be the best short term solution. I personally
> began doing this a few weeks ago. Since we can now edit our clues
> any time, I now edit my box (example: "Alive and well on 7/7/03")
> each time I get a message from a person who found it and emailed me
> a status (I also include my email address on clues page).
>
> Electronic log would be ideal, but image this would require a ton
of
> work. I think this may be a good field to add to all boxes, since
> if you can see someone found it on x date, then box should be there.
>
> Issue still comes in with boxes that are not assigned. I would
have
> no problem handling email updates for all Texas orphan boxes, and
> I'm sure others would volunteer in other states.
>
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, mindizney@a... wrote:
> > Perhaps the owners of the boxes can update the clues every once
in
> a while to
> > state that a box has been found by "this letterboxer on such and
> such date."
> > I personally enjoy people sitrep-ing boxes on the list.
Sometimes
> I get
> > posts directly concerning my boxes. That way, I know they're
> there, and perhaps
> > we should all update the clues every once in a while to say who's
> found it
> > recently.
> >
> > Just a thought....
> >
> > Music Woman
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message -----
From: HANNAHKAT@aol.com
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Missing Letterboxes - Solution?


The one thing we really appreciate is when people post with SitRep's
(situation reports)

Ahhhh... all things come to those who wait... Thanks for the parenthetical translation.

Mary (RI)


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